Prof. Peter D'Errico makes an outstanding point of substantive differentiation. 'Inclusion' is a first cousin to 'collaboration' (double entendre that it is) in the smoke-filled clutter of contemporary 'progressive' rhetoric. Self-determination is the fact of the matter and also gets to the very heart of the fundamental values at play.
i completely agree with this article; thinking about this subjects often, another, perhaps a tag off the original sentiment, that citizens do not have treaties with their own governments...the tell-tale evidence will be to what extent does the the observance of treaty, treaty protocol, and the constitutional mandates affirming treaties with Indian Country manifest. To date treaties and the subject thereof is never a topic of discussion, nor promise by the government. There is no prerogative to treaty implementation other than implementation...over 800 treaties with Indian Country between the u.s. and canada, and to date, not one is enforced by each colonial settler nation state....the next chapter in this historical soap opera, is what would life look like if those treaties were/is the relationship....
Thanks, Peter, excellent distinctions made and they can help anyone to review one's actions so as to see if they are actually helping or hindering the supposed cause. I remember a teacher in a theater class in college saying you have to keep asking yourself as the character, "What's my motivation?"... as it helps makes the acting authentic. And i think that's applicable to daily life.
As the son of a protestant minister in Curacao (part of what was called 'the Dutch Antilles' back in the Sixties, at least in common parlance), since 1949 officially described as an 'overseas part of the Dutch nation (or empire - the Dutch tongue being even more fuzzy over this distinction than the English) - comprising 6 islands, then 5 (Aruba 'split off' during the 80's) and now even more 'mini-states....' {end of opening clause}
and noting that
("sub-subordinate" clause 1.1) all payments, although pegged to the USD at a rate of ca. 1,80 "Antillian guilders" to the dollar, you cannot (or no longer [?]) use euros [sole currency in the Netherlands, I don't know about crypto) ] without stopping at a bank, which is not required when using USD;
("subordinate" clause 1.2)
In school (during aforesaid Sixties), original peoples were always called 'tribes', never 'original nations', and these 'tribes' were distinguished according to (putative) 'levels of cruelty (i.e. Aruacs peaceful, Caribs cannibals - but BOTH liabilities for being a) unfit as slaves and b) bereft of "Christ" (without any meaningful link between these two conditions). These 'traits' were then projected onto "Aztecs" [again: cruel] and "Inca's" [impressive roads and less wars, so 'more orderly'), BUT: no wheels, no guns, no writing, and above all, no Christ - so, alas, no match to those cruel Spaniards (Pizarro was conflated in school with the "evil" Duke of Alva during the Reformation in the 'Motherland'....
[main clause] given all that, I felt messed up over let's say racism issues (me 'white,' thus mired in 'new-fangled sin,' now capitalized on by the Woke moviment, etc;
which is why I found the JoDe Goudy's questions and Steven Newcombs 'view from the shore' versus 'view from the ship' insightful...
{aside}[stealthily tucked into the Apocalypo movie, both in its ending and in the advent of those horrific Aztec-like incursions in pristine [?] rain-forests, and a dust- and violence-ridden metropolis later on, all of which was preceded by fear and forebodings]{'un-aside'}
[concluding clause] enlightening. They [Jo DeGoudy and Steven Newcomb] offer tools [and scholarship] to conceptualize the previous Great Reset i.e. Christendom/ colonization as a system of dominators - same as the even more global, more technocratic or ~[faux...] inclusive~ Reset nowadays. #
In honor of my father the protestant minister [who passed on in 2020]:
He was a critical student of Biblical dogma, and an avid reader of (for instance) the theologian Dittrich Bonhoeffer - who was murdered in a Nazi prison.
Following some types of logic, "Inclusion" and 'Self-determination' are stark opposites. In that logic, to be included means to (aspire to) be dominated, to the extend that the US-empire is a "domination". and we see the world as a 'metaphorical box', so that everything and everyone ON its terriitory is IN it - at least since 1823 (J v M'I) - but 'in the making' since the age of 'Christian 'discovery' or/and/ followed by corporate land seizures (another set of metaphors right there), and may or may not be subsumed by the same code (or system, or metaset) of domination.
In English, one could expand the metaphor to the related term 'box office', which conjures up the image of a theatre - even the seats in the theatre (or arena). Some seats are reserved for natural persons (some cheap, some dear; some spectacles/genres for the crowd, others for 'the cultured'; some seats are even reserved for "corporate persons" - who decide or influence which movies/ rodeos/ spectacles are 'palatable' and which are not; very powerful 'corporate persons' may have 'a hand' in that, or many 'fingers in the pie.'
I am not trying to obfuscate the topic or to spin a dizzying, even (semi-)virtuoso tale.
It suddenly dawned on me that these various yet related metaphors evoke a host of questions - in part questions about the US legal 'corpus' on a Brobdingnaccian [?] scale. Inclusion & identity politics tend to overlook such (nagging) questions, because they posit the desirability (inevitability?) of being IN (even belonging TO) this metaphorical box.
I live in Woodbury, CT And it doesn't get any more colonial than here...and this is an activity they are offering at my daughter's school. Here is a link...curious if it's the same John Marshall. https://www.glebehousemuseum.org/marshall-children
I found this: "The Marshall Children Young Docent program is named for the nine children of John and Sarah Marshall who lived in the Glebe House from 1771-1786."
Reading Steven's book...super curious your thoughts. I'm not finished but my sense is that while some of the voices really wanted good things...that too many were naive enough to believe the treaties were made in good faith, and I tend to agree with those I cannot stand that they probably were made mostly in expediency without honor, while harboring the sentiments of the original DOCD...however, if anyone tries to pass a pan-global treaty selling out US sovereignty, I would suggest one of two approaches: either refuse to find ourselves obligated until all prior treaties to all are honored, starting with the native peoples and nations - including the descendents of those who no longer qualify as nations because of fowl play and dishonorable, unchristian behavior MEASURED BY THE LAW JESUS SAID SUMS THEM UP: love the lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and all your strength and love your neighbor as yourself. Alternative, anyone who identifies as a Christian could go up to the Swiss alps, ogle those fellows who gather to plan world events and control our responses to them, and let them know, we claim their assets, their person and will allow them to be live as occupants in peaceful lands so long as they begin to follow the invitation of Jesus to live as he did, with sincerity.
Thank you, Alicia Kwon. Some brave reporters of Rebel News did just that, in December 2022 I believe: '...ogle those fellows who gather to plan world events and control our responses to them...'
To no avail. Albert Bourla was what seemed to be his surly self; Klaus Swab hid in a nearby facility.
Re "Steven's book": I take it you are referring to "Pagans in the Promised Land"?
I watched that...I assume you saw the indigenous woman trampled? Like most movements that get suppressed, I believe the one in Canada was co-opted from early on maybe the beginning. But there were amazing people who were a part of it. Those who come from a pure heart rarely have the resources or personality to organize. The goodness is Great Spirit is a better organizer. If we listen, we will be able to play our part in the symphony of life and contribute what we are here to contribute, whatever the form. FY my keypad was frozen so I literally couldn't type during the livestream of the Canadian protests when, before the brought in what I assume to be foreign or UN forces, the officers clearly didn't look like they wanted to do what they had been told to do. When I tried to comment with compassion that they didn't want to do it, I was frozen. Anything polariizing or bland, I was allowed to type. Interesting, right? RE Steven's book I meant Steven Scwartzberg. I love him and I love much of his book but he has a more sympathetic view toward SOME of the early settlers than I do. This is not to say there weren't many who truly were sympathetic - my vibe read is just that the ones he thinks had ethics of greater respect for Indigenous Sovereignty and international laws apart from the Doctrine of Discovery I think were just using rhetoric for their own ends - or something like that. Do you watch The Last American Vagabond? I can't often because it is so disturbing but great news Source. Their most recent one has something on Canada and the great rest that may be of interest to you. Blessings to you and to us all! May peace prevail. May it be a freedom that understands oneness and interconnectedness. May all beings thrive. So be it.
Hello Alicia Kwon, Thank you for taking the time to write me a letter. Amazing (somewhat, at least) that the algorithm would allow you to polarize and say bland things (or straight-forward things, perhaps?) rather than to speak sympathetic & nuanced words... But in the case of the (almost iconic, for lack of a better word) trampling of the indigenous woman, I fully believe that some poeple in the forces imposing the law (but which law exactly?) were averse to deploying violence.
I also watched Glenn Jung, Rodney Palmer, Rebel News people, some doctors (Trozzi etc), and Anita Krishna on the very topic. Plus related topics, like those of protesters & truckers being ridiculously rebranded as 'far right extremists' by the Canadian gov't [a 'dominion' in the north of Turtle Island]
I watch TLAV occasionally; and I purchased a/the book by Steven Schwarzberg, which is still waiting to be read in full, I must admit.
One of my biggests 'shock moments' during the plandemic was the horrific inferno of the Maui/Lahaina 'fires', or invisible bombardment perhaps, which I found credible because preceded by some similar weaponry that made peaceful protesters in Canberra (Australia) toast - literally, or at the very least 'metonymically': their arms & shoulders were badly burnt by some technology on the back of trucks/vans).
Witnessing such atrocious 'TV-moments' convinced me that the perpetrators will go any length to impose their tyrannical New World Order on the peasants.
I very much like your peaceful stance, Alicia. At the same time, it's not merely a matter of dissenting opinions alone... One can't argue with DEW's [Distant Energy Weapons]. And, as part of the perpetual divide-and-rule game going on, one can't even be sure it were DEW's that facilitated afore-mentioned atrocities in Lahaina, there's still the failure of water supplies to account for,, the criminal misdirection of the traffic, those hundreds of lost children, and most likely a plan to convert Lahaina into a fifteen minute city - traditional homes conveniently in ashes, bulldozered for the sake of hotels and mansions, etc... or, put differently, erasing the last vestiges of the Hawai'i Kingdom.
On a more personal note - great news sources will tend to be disturbing, if not dystopian these days. And there is some danger in that as well.
Lahaina was/is heartbreaking. As is Lebanon. My personal belief we don't stand a chance standing up by force of this world. Our hope is in truly being the embodied solution locally and in our own energy. Inside our bodies we are quantum beings. Let us choose to access the unhackable oversoul of crystalline divine love.
Also, as an aside, when I sue the words “ sovereign divinity” in a poem, substack immediately hides it. Gives you a clue that might be important, right? <3 Best wishes,
I spiraled around Harvard Indigenous voices and also found the US military.... and in the heart literally driving Jung's Native encounter, I found he stayed at the Columbus and was funded by Rockefellers and I want to know, what do the voices with no connections to oppressor bodies...whose voices are entirely sovereign, have to say!
Why are we not as prone to critique assimilation as "appropriation" when already what has been appropriated is aggressively and sometimes in sneaky ways, assimilated. I see the exact same dynamic in KH VP, in terms of representation substituting for real change.
"Minority rights — civil rights — refers to the equality of individual citizens under the US Constitution.
Original Peoples’ rights, in contrast, are group rights and are not based on the US Constitution, because Original Nations existed before the Constitution."
Prof. Peter D'Errico makes an outstanding point of substantive differentiation. 'Inclusion' is a first cousin to 'collaboration' (double entendre that it is) in the smoke-filled clutter of contemporary 'progressive' rhetoric. Self-determination is the fact of the matter and also gets to the very heart of the fundamental values at play.
i completely agree with this article; thinking about this subjects often, another, perhaps a tag off the original sentiment, that citizens do not have treaties with their own governments...the tell-tale evidence will be to what extent does the the observance of treaty, treaty protocol, and the constitutional mandates affirming treaties with Indian Country manifest. To date treaties and the subject thereof is never a topic of discussion, nor promise by the government. There is no prerogative to treaty implementation other than implementation...over 800 treaties with Indian Country between the u.s. and canada, and to date, not one is enforced by each colonial settler nation state....the next chapter in this historical soap opera, is what would life look like if those treaties were/is the relationship....
all the words for devour
that an empire has-
to count
would take an hour
Thanks, Peter, excellent distinctions made and they can help anyone to review one's actions so as to see if they are actually helping or hindering the supposed cause. I remember a teacher in a theater class in college saying you have to keep asking yourself as the character, "What's my motivation?"... as it helps makes the acting authentic. And i think that's applicable to daily life.
A related way of putting it is JoDe Goudy's first (of six) questions: "Who / What am I?"
See: https://peterderrico.substack.com/p/view-from-the-shore-vs-view-from
As the son of a protestant minister in Curacao (part of what was called 'the Dutch Antilles' back in the Sixties, at least in common parlance), since 1949 officially described as an 'overseas part of the Dutch nation (or empire - the Dutch tongue being even more fuzzy over this distinction than the English) - comprising 6 islands, then 5 (Aruba 'split off' during the 80's) and now even more 'mini-states....' {end of opening clause}
and noting that
("sub-subordinate" clause 1.1) all payments, although pegged to the USD at a rate of ca. 1,80 "Antillian guilders" to the dollar, you cannot (or no longer [?]) use euros [sole currency in the Netherlands, I don't know about crypto) ] without stopping at a bank, which is not required when using USD;
("subordinate" clause 1.2)
In school (during aforesaid Sixties), original peoples were always called 'tribes', never 'original nations', and these 'tribes' were distinguished according to (putative) 'levels of cruelty (i.e. Aruacs peaceful, Caribs cannibals - but BOTH liabilities for being a) unfit as slaves and b) bereft of "Christ" (without any meaningful link between these two conditions). These 'traits' were then projected onto "Aztecs" [again: cruel] and "Inca's" [impressive roads and less wars, so 'more orderly'), BUT: no wheels, no guns, no writing, and above all, no Christ - so, alas, no match to those cruel Spaniards (Pizarro was conflated in school with the "evil" Duke of Alva during the Reformation in the 'Motherland'....
[main clause] given all that, I felt messed up over let's say racism issues (me 'white,' thus mired in 'new-fangled sin,' now capitalized on by the Woke moviment, etc;
which is why I found the JoDe Goudy's questions and Steven Newcombs 'view from the shore' versus 'view from the ship' insightful...
[continued]
{aside}[stealthily tucked into the Apocalypo movie, both in its ending and in the advent of those horrific Aztec-like incursions in pristine [?] rain-forests, and a dust- and violence-ridden metropolis later on, all of which was preceded by fear and forebodings]{'un-aside'}
[concluding clause] enlightening. They [Jo DeGoudy and Steven Newcomb] offer tools [and scholarship] to conceptualize the previous Great Reset i.e. Christendom/ colonization as a system of dominators - same as the even more global, more technocratic or ~[faux...] inclusive~ Reset nowadays. #
In honor of my father the protestant minister [who passed on in 2020]:
He was a critical student of Biblical dogma, and an avid reader of (for instance) the theologian Dittrich Bonhoeffer - who was murdered in a Nazi prison.
Yes, thx, had seen that post!
Following some types of logic, "Inclusion" and 'Self-determination' are stark opposites. In that logic, to be included means to (aspire to) be dominated, to the extend that the US-empire is a "domination". and we see the world as a 'metaphorical box', so that everything and everyone ON its terriitory is IN it - at least since 1823 (J v M'I) - but 'in the making' since the age of 'Christian 'discovery' or/and/ followed by corporate land seizures (another set of metaphors right there), and may or may not be subsumed by the same code (or system, or metaset) of domination.
In English, one could expand the metaphor to the related term 'box office', which conjures up the image of a theatre - even the seats in the theatre (or arena). Some seats are reserved for natural persons (some cheap, some dear; some spectacles/genres for the crowd, others for 'the cultured'; some seats are even reserved for "corporate persons" - who decide or influence which movies/ rodeos/ spectacles are 'palatable' and which are not; very powerful 'corporate persons' may have 'a hand' in that, or many 'fingers in the pie.'
I am not trying to obfuscate the topic or to spin a dizzying, even (semi-)virtuoso tale.
It suddenly dawned on me that these various yet related metaphors evoke a host of questions - in part questions about the US legal 'corpus' on a Brobdingnaccian [?] scale. Inclusion & identity politics tend to overlook such (nagging) questions, because they posit the desirability (inevitability?) of being IN (even belonging TO) this metaphorical box.
On what grounds does one belong in or to a box?
I like your playing with words to illuminate the language system with which we try to communicate about our world... or perhaps worlds...
I live in Woodbury, CT And it doesn't get any more colonial than here...and this is an activity they are offering at my daughter's school. Here is a link...curious if it's the same John Marshall. https://www.glebehousemuseum.org/marshall-children
I found this: "The Marshall Children Young Docent program is named for the nine children of John and Sarah Marshall who lived in the Glebe House from 1771-1786."
https://www.glebehousemuseum.org/single-post/marshall-children-program-returns-spring-2023
Different Marshall... unless there's a family connection further down the line...
Reading Steven's book...super curious your thoughts. I'm not finished but my sense is that while some of the voices really wanted good things...that too many were naive enough to believe the treaties were made in good faith, and I tend to agree with those I cannot stand that they probably were made mostly in expediency without honor, while harboring the sentiments of the original DOCD...however, if anyone tries to pass a pan-global treaty selling out US sovereignty, I would suggest one of two approaches: either refuse to find ourselves obligated until all prior treaties to all are honored, starting with the native peoples and nations - including the descendents of those who no longer qualify as nations because of fowl play and dishonorable, unchristian behavior MEASURED BY THE LAW JESUS SAID SUMS THEM UP: love the lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and all your strength and love your neighbor as yourself. Alternative, anyone who identifies as a Christian could go up to the Swiss alps, ogle those fellows who gather to plan world events and control our responses to them, and let them know, we claim their assets, their person and will allow them to be live as occupants in peaceful lands so long as they begin to follow the invitation of Jesus to live as he did, with sincerity.
Thank you, Alicia Kwon. Some brave reporters of Rebel News did just that, in December 2022 I believe: '...ogle those fellows who gather to plan world events and control our responses to them...'
To no avail. Albert Bourla was what seemed to be his surly self; Klaus Swab hid in a nearby facility.
Re "Steven's book": I take it you are referring to "Pagans in the Promised Land"?
I watched that...I assume you saw the indigenous woman trampled? Like most movements that get suppressed, I believe the one in Canada was co-opted from early on maybe the beginning. But there were amazing people who were a part of it. Those who come from a pure heart rarely have the resources or personality to organize. The goodness is Great Spirit is a better organizer. If we listen, we will be able to play our part in the symphony of life and contribute what we are here to contribute, whatever the form. FY my keypad was frozen so I literally couldn't type during the livestream of the Canadian protests when, before the brought in what I assume to be foreign or UN forces, the officers clearly didn't look like they wanted to do what they had been told to do. When I tried to comment with compassion that they didn't want to do it, I was frozen. Anything polariizing or bland, I was allowed to type. Interesting, right? RE Steven's book I meant Steven Scwartzberg. I love him and I love much of his book but he has a more sympathetic view toward SOME of the early settlers than I do. This is not to say there weren't many who truly were sympathetic - my vibe read is just that the ones he thinks had ethics of greater respect for Indigenous Sovereignty and international laws apart from the Doctrine of Discovery I think were just using rhetoric for their own ends - or something like that. Do you watch The Last American Vagabond? I can't often because it is so disturbing but great news Source. Their most recent one has something on Canada and the great rest that may be of interest to you. Blessings to you and to us all! May peace prevail. May it be a freedom that understands oneness and interconnectedness. May all beings thrive. So be it.
Hello Alicia Kwon, Thank you for taking the time to write me a letter. Amazing (somewhat, at least) that the algorithm would allow you to polarize and say bland things (or straight-forward things, perhaps?) rather than to speak sympathetic & nuanced words... But in the case of the (almost iconic, for lack of a better word) trampling of the indigenous woman, I fully believe that some poeple in the forces imposing the law (but which law exactly?) were averse to deploying violence.
I also watched Glenn Jung, Rodney Palmer, Rebel News people, some doctors (Trozzi etc), and Anita Krishna on the very topic. Plus related topics, like those of protesters & truckers being ridiculously rebranded as 'far right extremists' by the Canadian gov't [a 'dominion' in the north of Turtle Island]
I watch TLAV occasionally; and I purchased a/the book by Steven Schwarzberg, which is still waiting to be read in full, I must admit.
One of my biggests 'shock moments' during the plandemic was the horrific inferno of the Maui/Lahaina 'fires', or invisible bombardment perhaps, which I found credible because preceded by some similar weaponry that made peaceful protesters in Canberra (Australia) toast - literally, or at the very least 'metonymically': their arms & shoulders were badly burnt by some technology on the back of trucks/vans).
Witnessing such atrocious 'TV-moments' convinced me that the perpetrators will go any length to impose their tyrannical New World Order on the peasants.
[to be continued]
I very much like your peaceful stance, Alicia. At the same time, it's not merely a matter of dissenting opinions alone... One can't argue with DEW's [Distant Energy Weapons]. And, as part of the perpetual divide-and-rule game going on, one can't even be sure it were DEW's that facilitated afore-mentioned atrocities in Lahaina, there's still the failure of water supplies to account for,, the criminal misdirection of the traffic, those hundreds of lost children, and most likely a plan to convert Lahaina into a fifteen minute city - traditional homes conveniently in ashes, bulldozered for the sake of hotels and mansions, etc... or, put differently, erasing the last vestiges of the Hawai'i Kingdom.
On a more personal note - great news sources will tend to be disturbing, if not dystopian these days. And there is some danger in that as well.
Wishing you courage,
Pim
Lahaina was/is heartbreaking. As is Lebanon. My personal belief we don't stand a chance standing up by force of this world. Our hope is in truly being the embodied solution locally and in our own energy. Inside our bodies we are quantum beings. Let us choose to access the unhackable oversoul of crystalline divine love.
Also, as an aside, when I sue the words “ sovereign divinity” in a poem, substack immediately hides it. Gives you a clue that might be important, right? <3 Best wishes,
Thank you, Alicia.
Yes, let us choose to access anything - and the oversoul - unhackable in our being!
Om Shanti
Can AI distinguish between poems and prose-texts?
I hope it can't.
I’m sure that it can. Ask ChatGPT
Hope this helps!
https://open.substack.com/pub/aliciakwon/p/conversations-with-chatgp?r=2phurm&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
I spiraled around Harvard Indigenous voices and also found the US military.... and in the heart literally driving Jung's Native encounter, I found he stayed at the Columbus and was funded by Rockefellers and I want to know, what do the voices with no connections to oppressor bodies...whose voices are entirely sovereign, have to say!
CGJ = Allan Dulles.
Why are we not as prone to critique assimilation as "appropriation" when already what has been appropriated is aggressively and sometimes in sneaky ways, assimilated. I see the exact same dynamic in KH VP, in terms of representation substituting for real change.
"Minority rights — civil rights — refers to the equality of individual citizens under the US Constitution.
Original Peoples’ rights, in contrast, are group rights and are not based on the US Constitution, because Original Nations existed before the Constitution."
Well said <3
as usual.... thanks for your thoughtful comments... !
Thank you for your thoughtful presence and willingness to call it like you see it in a compassionate way! <3
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